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The current ride: My 2005 Giant Trance

2005 Giant Trance 4 frame, 2006 Fox 36 TALAS RC2

Sorry for the crappy bike pic! I’ll update with a nicer shot when I get a chance.

I do a lot of product reviews for this site and I run a lot of different gear over the course of the season. Even so, I have my own preferences and I think that showing you my primary mountain bike — a 2005 Giant Trance setup for aggressive trail riding — in its current setup says a lot about the gear that I really like.

And for components that I have been using for a long time, maybe read this post as a long term update for the item, and an endorsement of sorts.

Frame: 2005 Giant Trance (18″). I’ve been running an upgraded 2005 Giant Trance 4 frame for the past three months or so. I like pretty much everything about the frame, although I was surprised to find a small chunk missing from the tubing around the shock mount.

The Trance frame came stock with a Fox Float R rear shock and an FSA internal-cup headset, and I’ve been using those without major complaint since I built up the bike.

Fork: Fox 36 TALAS RC2. Some people might think the Fox 36 TALAS is overkill for the Trance but I wholeheartedly disagree. It might be too much fork for a full-on xc racing rig, but I ride for enjoyment more than I do to fuel my competitive side, and I feel that this fork is the bees knees when it comes to a plush, stable ride. And, yes, I just wrote ‘bees knees’.

Other people might be firmly ensconced within the ‘simplicity is best‘ camp, and I appreciate that, but I’ve put in my time and would rather enjoy the benefits of technology. The Fox 36 TALAS RC2, dialled down to 130mm, matches my riding style perfectly.

Wheels. For my brand of trail riding, I run a 20mm Shimano XT hub up front and a 135mm Hadley Racing hub in the rear. I love the positive engagement, the high-end feel, and the quality of workmanship with the Hadley, and the XT front hub hasn’t given me any issues for over two years. Both hubs are laced to Mavic 829s and are set up for tubeless tires.

If and when I run a cross country setup on the Trance, I’ll be using some CrossMax XLs. Some people prefer sealant-based systems like Stan’s or Flat Attack, but I’ve been more than happy with my straight-up UST systems.

Tires. Michelins run tubeless, all the way. I run the Comp16 backwards on the front and the Comp24 in the recommended direction for the rear.

For cross-country use, I’ll be running a Kenda Blue Groove / Nevegal combination or some of the Maxxis CrossMarks, depending on the availability of each.

Brakes. I’m still using the Avid Juicy 5s that I reviewed last year but it’s kind of out of necessity. The front brake stops me just fine, as does the rear, although the lever on the rear brake feels mushy, something I discussed a couple of months ago. Also, I had the stock rotors replaced on warranty with the newer ones that aren’t supposed to stutter. On both wheels I’m running 160mm (6″) rotors, although a 180mm (7″) rotor up front might be more up my alley.

Update (August 2006). I’m now using some Hayes El Caminos — check back for a review by the end of the month.

Crankset / pedals. I’m still running the Shimano XT crankset I reviewed last year. It’s running strong although the first set of bottom bracket bearings is almost toast. I replaced the 22t and 32t rings at the start of this season.

The Crank Brothers Candy SLs that I started using almost two years are going strong although I’ve had to rebuild them a couple of times, a task that takes about 10 minutes per pedal.

Drivetrain. I run a SRAM 991 chain and a SRAM 980 11-32 cassette. It was a toss-up between the 980 cassette and the Shimano XT cogset; I ended up with the 980 because there were no XTs in stock at the local distributor.

Shifters / derailleurs. I run SRAM X.0 twist shifters and a SRAM X.0 medium cage rear derailleur. Up front, I’m running a Shimano LX derailleur, although I’ll swap that out once it starts to show its age.

The X0 derailleur has been running strong for a full year. During that time, I’ve had to replace the cables a couple of times but, other than that, the thing’s been trouble free.

Cockpit. I run the Easton seat post and the WTB Speed series saddle that came stock on the Trance, although I really like the Titec Ithys saddle too. Near the front, I’m using an Easton Vice stem (Thomson for xc) and a Race Face Deus XC bar. I use ODI Ruffian lock-on grips and swear by them.

Hitting the trail

So there you have it, my main test bike. It weighs a hair over 33lbs. when I’ve got it set up for heavier duty trail riding and sheds about 4lbs. when I throw on light wheels and tires.

I’m not going out to train for any cross country racing, although I could probably shed some weight on the bike by making some apt choices. For me though, I wanted a bike that could go fast (relatively speaking) on the way up and rip on the way down. The Trance is close to that bike, although I’ll always keep the door open for a better, faster ride to zip inside my garage.

19 Responses to “The current ride: My 2005 Giant Trance”

1. Posted by Ashwin | 4:02 am, 24 May 2006

What rings are on your crankset? I’m running a 22-32-42 with a 11-32 in the rear and just put an XO mid cage rear derailleur on.

The capacity of the XO mid cage has a total capacity of 37T while the long cage has a capacity for 45t. In my setup I’m, slightly over the spec ((42-22) + (11-32)=41), but it seems to be working fine.

Also how far out/in do you have your B tension screw?

thanks

2. Posted by Cory | 7:34 am, 24 May 2006

I’m running the same gearing as you with XT rings. I went with the mid-cage mostly because the long is, well, really long and I was concerned about it snagging on things.

I wouldn’t worry too much about being over spec — most pros run mid-cage X0 derailleurs too. Just be smart about your gear selection and you should be fine.

I’ll have to check out the B-tension screw and see where it’s located. Will get back to you on that one.

3. Posted by Mr. P | 9:13 am, 24 May 2006

Do you ever roll the fork out to full travel on the downs?

Do you feel like you need any more rear travel?

You seem to have built a REAL all mountain bike - true XC and true trail depending on installed bits. Is it working out that way for you? What are strengths / weaknesses of this set up?

I like your thinkin!

thx!

Mr. P

4. Posted by Cory | 9:33 am, 24 May 2006

Thanks Mr P.

For the fork, I don’t ever feel the need to increase the travel beyond 5″. The fork is dialled in so nicely that I rarely bottom it out, get almost all of my travel when it’s needed, and it rolls over everything beautifully. Can’t say enough positive things about it.

Sometimes I feel as though I need more travel, but I’d be happier if the shock ramped up more right near the end of its stroke. That’s something an aftermarket company like PUSH Industries can take care of.

For me, this bike is the best of both worlds. As you wrote, it gives me the chance to go for climb on a 10km logging road and then fly down flowy singletrack. And the next day, I can go out to another local spot and ride down some of the awesome technical trails we have here.

It’s not perfect but it does the job. Initially, I planned on swapping out forks when I moved between xc and not-xc but I realized that was a whole lot of work. So I chose the fork that I liked the most and accepted the weight penalty. As I mentioned in the writeup, I’m not concerned about being the fastest guy up the mountain so weight wasn’t the only thing I considered when I put the bike together.

The other thing I’d consider is a dual ring chainguide, mostly because there’s a lot of chatter from the chain hitting the seat stay (it’s pretty low slung on the Trance and you go really fast with this thing). The main reason I haven’t done this is because the big ring is so fun on doubletrack descents…

5. Posted by doug | 4:52 pm, 25 May 2006

I have some CK ISO Disc laced with DT Comps on Mav 819’s. I was thinking of building a more durable set, what do you think of the 829’s and having through axle up front?

6. Posted by Cory | 5:15 pm, 25 May 2006

Hi Doug. The 829s are solid rims. I’ve been running them for about three years. I replaced the rear last season, but only because I added the Hadley rear hub into the mix. They’re capable rims that can handle everything from freeride and downhill to serious all mountain riding.

They’re a bit heavy for true xc wheels but I have no problem using them on rides where I know the pace will be slow. But if I go for a faster xc ride with other riders, I can really feel the heavier wheels (tires included) slowing me down. Or at least that’s what I tell everybody.

After riding a standard axle fork and a thru-axle fork on the bike, I definitely prefer the 20mm thru up front. It’s more solid through the rough stuff and just feels more assuring going down.

7. Posted by Jojo | 7:58 am, 26 May 2006

Just wanna tell you there’s no 20mm axle adapter for 7 inch rotor up front. it’s either 6 or 8 (at least that’s what 06 QBP told me)

8. Posted by Week 20 » The Biking Hub: Mountain | 11:56 am, 26 May 2006

[…] For Monday, I posted up a review of the Manitou Minute: 04 and followed that up with Ashwin’s comparison of the fibre-based Flat Attack sealant and Stan’s latex concoction. For Wednesday, I posted up the build specs for my 2005 Giant Trance, thinking that the entry would generate some decent discussion — ‘Too heavy!’, or ‘Why not get a Reign?’ — and it did, just not the type of discussion I expected. Moving on, Guitar Ted gave us a thoughtful glimpse at the type of event that served as the foundation for the growing ultra-endurance race scene. […]

9. Posted by Cory | 1:49 pm, 26 May 2006

Jojo: I’m not sure where you got your info from, but you can run the 7″ rotor on 20mm forks — I’ve got a number of friends who are doing so without problems.

According to SRAM’s website, the adapter is available as an aftermarket purchase.

Let me know if I’m missing anything…

10. Posted by eric | 4:39 pm, 15 June 2006

Hi,
Great review, although it is hard to compare to the stock version giant sell. I am thinking of a tranc 2 stock. I am 6′2 180lbs and wondering if the stock trance 2 will suit me. i am not a downhiller or anything, and just enjoy as you do going out on the trail and having fun. Is the frame really what people call the Blur killer? How do you think it would compare to my other choice the Cannondale Rush 800 roughly in same price range.

thanks

11. Posted by Cory | 5:05 pm, 15 June 2006

Eric: I can’t say whether this or that bike would work for you — you should talk with local riders, a good local shop, and then take into consideration the stuff you read online. Doing that would probably give you a better idea about the suitability of the Trance for you.

I’ve ridden Blurs a couple of times, but not enough to adequately compare the two. But you can probably find a complete Trance 2 for a little more than it would cost you for the Santa Cruz.

As for comparisons with the Rush, it’s hard for me to say which one is best. I’ve ridden a couple of different Rush models and they ride way differently than my Trance. Part of the reason for this is because I’m running the fork at 130mm and my choice of wheels. The Rush is a solid climber and is really ‘quick’ at the wheels, but it was a little sketchy on the descents compared to my current ride.

Hope this helps a bit.

12. Posted by eric | 7:17 pm, 15 June 2006

Cory,
thanks.
I know i can’t expect you to tell me which to ride. But overall it seems that you obviously chose a bike that you really like and that would be the Trance. I am going to test ride it this weekend. I wish i could also test ride a rush to compare as i really like the lefty fork. Hard to tell.

I think the trance might be smarter choice overall due to the design and the rave reviews. i am usually sketched out by bikes with loads of moving parts. then again my car has thousands of moving parts and i don’t mind that.

13. Posted by Marty | 12:57 am, 20 June 2006

I’m running a trance 1 frame but am having difficulty setting up the rear RP3 shock. I’m 80kg and am running the rear shock at 260psi with the compression 2-clicks from max. The problem is that on medium hits (say 500mm drops) the shock bottoms out resulting in a that awful “noise of death”. If I run the shock at a high pressure I’m going to loose any benefit on XC trails. Anyone got any suggestions……can the shocks be re-valved to overcome this issue, or could I have a faulty shock??
Apart from this issue I love the trance!

14. Posted by Cory | 6:37 am, 20 June 2006

Marty. The Maestro system is meant to be super linear, and the rear shock cycles through its travel at a constant spring rate. As I mentioned in the review, I do blow through the travel fairly easily. It’s one of those things where I’m willing to take the tradeoff (the occasional harsh bottom for fully active, supple suspension) and leave it at that.

That being said, at some point, I plan on sending the shock to PUSH Industries, where they should be able to revalve the RP3 so the rear end doesn’t bottom as much. The idea is that the guys at PUSH will set the shock so it remains linear in the first half of the stroke and then ramps up to limit harsh bottoming in the last half of the stroke. Also, I believe they put a larger bumper in the shock so, when you do bottom it, there’s more ’stuff’ there to take the edge off.

Hope that helps a bit. And for what it’s worth, I weigh about the same as you and have the shock set at 200 psi. Also, you shouldn’t be bottoming the shock harshly on a 50cm drop — my bike doesn’t hit its ‘limit’ until about 4 feet (~125cm).

15. Posted by Marty | 3:02 am, 22 June 2006

Thanks Cory,

Guess its a trip back to the bike shop with a suspect shock!

16. Posted by Hayes El Camino disc brake review » The Biking Hub: Mountain | 8:41 am, 18 August 2006

[…] A while back, I picked up a set of Hayes El Caminos for my trail bike, despite plenty words of warning from a number of friends who logged serious time with these things on their dh rigs. The primary complaint was about the way the brakes faded or pumped up on fast runs but I figured I’d be all right since my set wasn’t going to be used at Whistler or for heavy duty gravity-fed action. […]

17. Posted by Dissecting the 2007 Norco lineup » The Biking Hub: Mountain | 11:51 am, 16 October 2006

[…] A couple of weeks back, I spend some time on the ‘06 Team DH and was really impressed by the bike. Sure, it wallowed in the flats (as many 9″ travel are wont to do), but everything else worked well and the bike plowed through sections of trail that are, how do I say, interesting on my everyday ride. […]

18. Posted by Jon | 10:46 pm, 18 October 2007

Over time I’ve read, learned, and enjoyed your reviews. I enjoy riding and don’t have the time to delve into the technical side of things and appreciate the reviews that have something to say.

Your ride seems like a harbinger to Norco’s Fluid line. How would you compare your ride to the fluid line?

19. Posted by Jenn | 3:04 pm, 11 January 2008

I have a Trance 4 14.5″ and am looking to sell it. The bike is stock except for MAXXIS Holy Rollers and has only been ridden twice. I love it but I was hoping to get into biking but I travel overseas alot for work and haven’t found the time. I want to find someone who can appreciate what a stellar bike this is. Asking $800, retail is $1200. If you are interested contact urbngtogrl@aol.com located in Las Vegas,NV.

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