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Virtual pivot point technology, from a performance perspective

Editor’s note: This entry was submitted by Adrian Howard. Adrian is in the final stages of a graduate Masters in physiotherapy at the University of Queensland. He has a Masters in sports science (human performance) and has worked in the field of strength and conditioning for twelve years. Adrian currently is living in Brisbane, Australia with his wife and his interests include human performance, musculoskeletal rehabilitation, snowboarding, surfing and, of course, mountain biking.

In this age of full-suspension technology, there is an enormous amount of debate as to which suspension design works best for mountain bikers. There are plenty of reviews all over the ‘net that discuss which design is best, and why it is so. I feel there is a fundamental problem with many of these suspension arguments: very few people ever really seem to consider the rider and how they interact with the bike on the trail.

I recently purchased a Santa Cruz VP-Free for downhill duties and took it on a trip to Mt. Buller in Victoria, Australia. In this article, I want to discuss specifically how a rider interacts with a Virtual Pivot Point (VPP) bike, rather than the usual score of the bike did this well and that poorly.

The location: Mt. Buller’s International downhill course

The International downhill course in Mt. Buller is extremely technical; in fact it is one of the most technical runs I have ridden, and I’ve been to places in France, Scotland and Spain. Each place presents its own challenges but none are quite as challenging as the downhill I was about to face.

After a couple of warm-up runs on the blue track I set off down the first section of the International downhill, a very demanding two hundred metres of planted rocks — some the size of basketballs. As I bombed my way down a strange thing occurred. I felt the bike lengthening and shortening like I had never felt a bike do.

Working the VPP

After a number of runs it suddenly occurred to me that it was the design of the VPP linkage performing its duty and sucking up most of the bumps that came its way.

In what seemed like a second it also occurred to me that the length of the chain stays were constantly changing as I rode the bike. The chain stays are around 17 inches and when the suspension compresses the chain stays move backwards around 0.5-1 inch before the rear wheels begins its more vertical path over the obstacle you have mowed into. Also, I realised that as I went into a corner with my body weight forward and then moved it backwards as I exited the corner I needed to shift even further backwards in order to offset the horizontal component of the suspension and effectively weight the rear wheel. I realised that, in shifting my weight back, I was in fact increasing the effective length of the chain stays and increasing the need to move my body even further back to maintain my centre of gravity over the rear hub.

A moment of dismay occurred while I was thinking about this. If the rear wheel on a VPP-equipped bike moves backwards before it moves upwards, then the rider constantly has to adjust your body position to cater for the change in the centre of gravity over the rear axel. This is the case for all VPP bikes that have a horizontal movement component in their suspension design.

VPP systems and a dynamic base of support

If you consider a VPP bike as your ‘base of support’ while riding, you’ll see that you have a very dynamic system at play. What I mean by this is that when you change your centre of gravity on the bike you change the position of the rear axle relative to your centre of gravity which then necessitates another change in body position to offset the first change. This is an infinite process in the initial stages of the travel, as quite a lot of rearwards movement occurs before the more vertical path of the axle begins.

While riding in Buller, I found this dynamic base was a factor during cornering. As the rider weights the rear of the bike, the wheelbase lengthens as the axle moves backwards. This characteristic can be quite disconcerting, especially as one enters tight technical sections, because, as the bike lengthens, it becomes more unwieldy and less manoeuvrable due to its longer wheelbase.

This situation required subtle but deliberate changes to maintain optimal force on the rear wheel in and out of corners. Every bump I hit magnified the constant forwards and rearwards movement of the rear axle, particularly in the early stages of the travel. As the damper returned the rear axle and chain stays to their starting position it happened again and again.

Have you ever tried counting the number of times the damper moves in and out on a downhill course? If you imagine this you will get the picture.

Dissecting the dynamic base of support

In the world of physiotherapy and performance training this forward and rearward change in axle position, relative to the rider would be considered a dynamic base of support. Dynamic bases of support are the most difficult to manage because they require more finely tuned movements of the body to cater to the changes in the rider’s centre of gravity.

To put it simply, these bikes require more effort to move around. During the situations described above, the rider’s body must work harder to coordinate the fine movements that are necessary to maintain an optimal centre of gravity over a constantly changing base of support (see figure 1). Furthermore these body position changes are necessary to perform the tricks of the trade, like the “bunny hop”. We have all heard reports of people finding the Santa Cruz V10 impossible to bunny hop. The reason for this difficulty is obvious if you consider what I have said about the effective lengthening of the chain stays and the constant need for the rider to change his centre of gravity to stay over the rear axle.

The dynamic base of support created by VPP-systems

Figure 1. In order to stay in an optimal riding position, the rider wants to maintain the same relative position, relative to point ‘Z’ on the diagram. As the effective length of the chainstays on a VPP-equipped bike increases, the rider (red triangle) must move between points A and B to maintain their centre of gravity relative to the horizontally displaced rear axle (points C and D) in order to stay in that ideal position.

Any rider out there will agree that, as you get tired, the little movements that are required to maintain an optimal centre of gravity relative to your bike become harder to perform. This is one of the reasons so many really bad crashes come at the end of the day; riders’ muscles become tired and they become less able to fine tune the movements required to stay on top of the bike. When you add in additional factors, such as a changing base of support, you are going to fatigue more quickly, and this can’t be good for anyone.

The suspension path of a Horst-link bike (the Demo 9)

Figure 2. On bikes with a vertical rear wheel path, the rider (red line) does not need to move between points A and B because point B does not exist. The vertical axle path makes it far easier a rider to orientate their self above, and to maintain their centres of gravity in, an optimal position.

On shorter travel bikes I think the VPP trade-off is worth it. The energy saved during pedalling is worth the subsequent loss of energy on the downhills. For pure lift assisted riding I believe that most riders would benefit by sticking to a bike where the base of support changes very little. The typical four bar or single pivot performs this way because these bikes have a more predictable rear wheel path, something that makes positioning on these bikes less difficult to figure out.

And in the bigger scheme of things that means you can put your energy into what you are really on your bike to do… RIDE!

If you have an idea that you think would work on The Biking Hub, don’t hesitate to drop Cory a line.

20 Responses to “Virtual pivot point technology, from a performance perspective”

1. Posted by Mr. P | 7:28 am, 20 April 2006

Interesting and new perspective on the VPP’s rear axle movement. I can’t imagine taking the bunny hop skill away on a DH run. Gret point about late day fatigue too.

One of the marketed benefits of the rear axle movement is it’s ability to handle square edged bumps at speed. The rear movement supposedly allows more time and an easier path for the wheel to roll over the bump, resulting in a smoother “hit” and more maintained momentum (and less fatigue). This is something one could feel in the body. Did you experience this?

Mr. P

2. Posted by Cory | 8:43 am, 20 April 2006

Mr. P: Good clarification on the claimed benefits of the VPP system. I’m hoping that this writeup gets riders talking a little more about the merits AND the drawbacks of any floating pivot point suspension system. And, of course, everyone is going to have their own take on this topic…

Mine? While not technically a VPP system, Giant’s Maestro operates on similar fundamental principles. And I do run a Trance, so the short travel limits any impact an effective chainstay increase has on the bike’s performance.

I do notice the different ‘feel’ of the rear end while climbing, especially when I’m in especially rough terrain. On descents, the bike feels ‘dead’, or indifferent, plowing through stuff in a way that’s merely different from single-pivot bikes like the Cannondale Prophet. I’m not sure that I’d noticed a loss of energy over the course of a ride.

3. Posted by Adrian Howard | 5:45 pm, 20 April 2006

The major point I am making is that the rider is always chasing the optimal position on a VPP bike. I must admit I didn’t like the feel of the horizontal chainstay movement much. MTB is about body positioning and if you are in a good position not much will slow you down irrespective of bike design. Just look at Steve Peat or Greg Minnar they both ride single pivots.

Most four bars appear to be designed to allow a small amount of arc in their movement path ie near vertical. The single pivot obviously has a curved axel path. I think the trick for VPP designs in the future will be to minimise the horizontal component of travel to almost nil. On another note why use a VPP design at all now we have platform shocks ?

4. Posted by Cory | 8:49 pm, 20 April 2006

Hi Adrian. As an FYI, Peaty is with Santa Cruz this year. It’ll be interesting to see how he does on the V10 after riding with Orange for so long.

5. Posted by Tim B | 2:53 am, 21 April 2006

Hi Adrian,

I concur with your evaluation of VPP geometry suspension systems. My experiences arelimited to the SC BLur, Intense Spider but even in these short travel designs i found the bikes harder to move around ie tighter, than a Scott Genuis or Cannondale Rush (which is very active yet stable).
My own experience led me o choose a single pivot design since for me the overall benefits of a simpler suspension design outweigh the very small calculated benefits of a VPP or Horst link system

6. Posted by Mr. P | 7:10 am, 21 April 2006

I think the point of (at least) DW linked bikes is to eliminate the need for a platform shock. And it works, I ride like I am on a SS and I run a Cane Creek AD5. The benefits to little low speed compression on the downhills is enormous to me. The bike can blow through half it’s travel on a bump at speed without the input or jarringness of a threshold (platform) or low speed compression. It makes the rear extremely active. IMHO, adding a platform to a DW linked bike takes away it’s best atributes. My experience is only with moderate travel (4.5″).

I really like the point about body position. Another factor to body position is confidence - we can all feel when we are off position a little bit, and it will alter my confidence, which will alter my speed. You really got me thinking about how important position is - being an old BMXer from the 70s, I just took it for granted. Gotta pay attention next ride.

Mr. P

7. Posted by Adrian Howard | 12:08 pm, 21 April 2006

A friend of mine who races motorbikes sent me this after reading my article: I thought you guys might be interested. I think the cornering implications I have mentioned about lengthening of the chainstays on VPP bikes is relavant to what he is saying below:

Adrian did you know that this is the main reason that all race motorbikes, since there have been race motorbikes are chain not shaft driven - in any race situation you brake into the turning point and immediately get back on the power, gradually feeding in more power as you pass and approach the apex. On a chain driven bike this has the secondary effect of pushing the rear wheel into the track - 1 this increases traction and 2 this shortens the wheelbase - ie tightens the line (which will obviously allow you to accelerate harder through the exit)…on a shaft driven bike, the torque reaction of the shaft has the impact of trying to lift the rear wheel off the track 1 this reduces traction and 2 this lengthens the wheelbase causing the bike to run wide….as the owner of a chain drive ZX9 and a shaft drive R1200 GS I can bear personal witness to these effects. Or put another way if you get off a ZX9 and get onto an R1200GS you’d better adjust you riding style before you get to the next bend….

8. Posted by Adam Blumenthal | 5:50 pm, 24 April 2006

Very interesting points.
You mention the axle path moving further and further backward as you shift your weight back to compensate. There is certainly a finite length/distance of “growth” in the effective chainstay measurment, and I wonder if that limit is the point at which you can find a comfort zone. To clarify (I hope): if you know the points of A and B (the shortest and longest range of suspension growth along the chainstay/horizontal axis), then you will learn to know where your body weight should be. Over time, wouldn’t this become second nature? Much like learning any system that you aren’t familiar with? It doesn’t sound like you have spent too much time on the bike, though, that being said some bikes are just right or wrong for certain riders. Well, I am back to riding my rigid single speed, hehehe.

9. Posted by Adrian Howard | 2:26 am, 25 April 2006

Adam, I think you are right. Finding your optimal position on the bike will become easier over time, but why should you have to find it ? As you say the chainstay growth is limited to the length of the angular displacement of the lower link as it approaches horizontal. Until you reach this point the chainstays grow in length and every time the suspension returns to the starting point it happens again. So what you have is a infinitely changing wheelbase unless your body were to remain fixed at all times behind the axel at maximum chainstay length. As you know this doesn’t happen as body position change on a mountain bike is a fundamental to riding. As you say some people may like the feeling but does it really offer any performance advantage?

I will say I have the greatest respect for guys like you who are at one with the mountain on their rigid single speeds !

10. Posted by Jaz | 6:23 am, 12 September 2006

Some holes in your analysis:

“I believe that most riders would benefit by sticking to a bike where the base of support changes very little. The typical four bar or single pivot performs this way because these bikes have a more predictable rear wheel ”

Single pivot design bikes such as Orange bikes have high pivot location. The wheel base lengthens as the suspension compresses to the horizontal position. If you look at MotoX bikes, their swing arms are mounted, not at the bottom of the frame because legnthening of the wheelbase is desired.

11. Posted by BH | 8:34 am, 15 November 2006

If you pedal through the last half of the curve / burm, the VPP will pull in and the bike acts like a hard tail but with “cush”. Like a moto-x, using this technique will a actually launch you out of a single track corner instead of just sliding around through it. Been on mountain bikes since 1988. I have never found a bike that doesn’t need some “rail english” with butt movements throughout the ride. Test rode many suspension bikes throughout their evolution. Alot of current bikes are still fighting the same old problems caused from pedaling and bike lengthening during compression.

Takes a few rides to get the hang of the VPP bikes. Santa Cruz has done a fantastic job…………

12. Posted by Joe | 3:43 pm, 31 May 2007

If the description you provided of the two bikes were true, the VP-Free would have a considerable chain growth, but it has, in fact, 21.8mm of chaingrowth. The rate of this growth, the derivative of chainstay lengthening with respect to vertical wheel travel, remains positive throughout the travel, it does not grow and then shrink to reach that number.

Some basic geometry proves that an 8 inch travel bike with a “vertical” axle path would have more chain growth that this, as well as having a negative growth if the BB was higher than the axle height (true in the case of Demo pictured). The Specialized marketing claim of “vertical” axle path is not technically correct. Nor is the S-shaped axle path of the VPP bike.

While your opinion of how the bike rides is yours, the assumptions you make about the suspension systems are oversimplified and inaccurate. Take, for example, the suspension fork. On a typical long travel bike with an 8 inch fork, the wheelbase change would be around 80mm.

These topics have been explored in great detail on motorcycle suspension, you can research that and gain more insight if you wish.

13. Posted by Cody | 9:39 pm, 31 May 2007

You mentioned both Steve Peat and Greg Minaar as your examples running single pivot but both Orange and Minaar’s Honda bikes have high pivot locations. This makes the rear wheel rearward in the first half of its travel as well. I ride a Canfield Brothers bike and it is also rearward and I can honeslty say I noticed immediately the improved performance over square hits. I had previously owned a Devinci Ollie (horst link) and before that a Cannondale Gemini (single pivot). The devinci had 8.5 inches of travel and my Canfield came in at 6 inches. The Canfield felt faster and more stable through rock gardens, especially at higher speeds, than the Devinci, just not as deep for drops and jumps to flat.
Another benefit of the vpp based systems is the lateral rigidity. Not having a pivot back by the dropout means stiffer. A much bigger concern for me than the downside of chain growth.
The only real complaint I’ve come up with about vpp based systems is chain growth when I’m climbing. Most are designed to be neutral in the middle ring but all have pedal feedback. The more rearward the wheel path, the stronger the feedback. Can be a huge hindrance in places like Moab with all the shelfs and steps you are climbing.
I would like to know how much you actually have to move your body to compensate center of gravity changes when your rear wheel moves around 2 centimeters. Seems like the mass of the body being so much more than that of the bike, its position would do way more to determine center of gravity than the bike ever could. This body mass would serve to mask a lot of the smaller, suble changes the bike makes under you as long as your shoulders and hips were low. I think this is why more people haven’t mentioned the point Joe made above about DH forks making more than 3 inches of wheelbase difference. Correct body position determines center of gravity to a reasonable point.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

14. Posted by henry | 7:20 pm, 1 June 2007

After reviewing your feedback I decided to go with the stj pro 07, this suspension apears to be superior, always active, braking does not affect the suspension on downhill

15. Posted by Cory | 5:38 pm, 2 June 2007

Good posts everybody. FWIW, I’m still riding my Trance and I love it. I also have a Haro Sonix S, although the jury’s still out on that one — it’s super fussy re. setup compared to a bunch of the other bikes out there and that might hinder its popularity.

16. Posted by Phil | 6:53 am, 22 August 2007

I have a Cove G-Spot so no chain growth, but still a change in wheelbase. No one yet appears to have looked at the bike as a whole entity yet though. If the fork causes a shortening of wheel base, but the rear causes a growth maybe they jusy kinda balance each other out !! OK OK OK, I know it aint that easy, but when discussing suspensions systems its how they react for YOU with the bike in TOTAL which counts, not just how some boffin claims the rear will be.

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20. Posted by sohbet | 4:47 am, 30 April 2008

These topics have been explored in great detail on motorcycle suspension, you can research that and gain more insight if you wish.

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